AMD X3D CPU Versus: 5800X3D vs 5700X3D vs 5600X3D

[robert40]

Of corse ,cores just marketing like mhz old story pentium vs celeron 225 years ago

pentium 4 1600mhz 512 mb l2 was much much better than cleron 2200gh 128 mb l2

 

[HardReset]

You forgot the smiley. I guess the fact AMD is now selling hybrid apu's has escaped your attention and going forward more and more of AMD's line-up will be hybrid. 14700 kicks the snot out of 7900X for productivity in vast majority of cases. For apps I use like Mathematica, COMSOL, Matlab etc it is massively faster than 7900X in multithreaded use. Saying Intel hybrid is a joke for productivity is possibly the stupidest thing I seen on this site. And BTW I own only AMD cpu's.

AFAIK AMD has no hybrid architecture available since all cores have same architecture. Only difference is clock speed.

As told many times, Intel's Thread director is supposed to put background tasks on Crap cores that makes them run much slower. Keeping important task on P-cores is pretty hard when multitasking, especially when using virtual machine. Try it yourself, and no, do not say anything about benchmarks.

Because using benchmarks you can easily "prove" things. I can easily "prove" that SSD is not faster than ultra slow HDD. like this: run game benchmark that loads fully in memory and then executes. It really makes no difference FPS wise whether ultra fast SSD or 30 year old HDD is used. Well, SSD starts benchmark in 5 seconds and HDD does it in 15 minutes. But hey, FPS is same so HDD is as fast as SSD. Simple, eh?

 

[Sulty]

I replaced a 3900X with a 5800X3D and got 8% improvement in FPS and 13% improvement in lows in Spider-man. Thats at 4K with RT with a 3080.

I wonder what would be the improvement for 1080p games at low to mid quality (competitive fps...).

 

[JuanDegr]

The entire point of the 5x00X3D CPU at this time is to upgrade a decent existing AM4 build.

And exaclty how many people are out there unable to spend another 150 bucks but somehow having a decent AM4 build with a decent GPU and decent high HZ Monitors? This is a guess game obviously but I suspect there are only a few. There is a flaw in the argument that 5x00x3D helps any cost sensitive builder to reach the next step without further upgrading and that's my only point.

Otherwise your argument makes sense, of course. If you happen to have a higher tier GPU and are focused on high fps online games without the eye candy and you run a 1600(x)-2700x it's just perfect. But is it always the great upgrade for cost sensitive builders? I just wonder: How many people are out there having a decent build that will benefit massively from an 3D CPU? Just look at steam statistics, where most of the time RTX3060, RTX2060, GTX1080, RX5700(xt) or even Polaris leads the pack. People with this kind of GPU will throw their hard earned money out of the window based on the undifferentiated praise for the 5800x3D and it's lesser siblings. The reality is: If you decide to stay with AM4 at this point, chances are this upgrade won't always help you to see the light. You need to further upgrade your dead EOL AM4 to gain the goods from 5x00x3D - that's my whole point. Just look at what ScoottSoapbox said coming from an 3900x and upgrading to an 5800x3D. and I know comparable use cases. Just take the upgrade seriously, it's not a "No-Brainer" for most of the AM4 rigs I know.

And if you are truly on a budget: It's almost never a good decision to further invest on new parts into EOL plattfoms.

 

[dirtyferret]

"this model will surely age better"

I disagree. By the time the 6 core 5600x3d isnt enough for games, the 5700 will also be well too long in the tooth. This console gen, 6 cores is enough because thats all consoles get for actual game usage. When 8 cores for console games is the norm, we'll be on zen 6 or higher, and zen 3 even with cache wont keep up, especially if consoles are rocking zen 4.

We saw this with the FX series. Having 8 cores didnt matter, by the times games used more then 4 the FX was too slow to be useful, and the core i3 STILL beat it on a technicality. Anything that heavily used 6+ was unusable on the FX.

That's often the problem fan boys fail to realize, they judge CPUs by cores as opposed to a single entity based on performance. Sure the eight core processor may offer you a slightly better floor for FPS down the road but the ceiling will most likely remain the same for both CPUs and both will suffer when it's clear more performance is needed from a CPU.

 

[erickmendes]

I play at 1440 all settings on ultra, I have a 4080, used it with a 7800x3D and now I've settled with my old 5800x3D... Most games it's all over 90 fps with either CPU, so next CPU upgrade perhaps when Ryzen 9000 series arive.

 

[Shirley Dulcey]

The extra cores on the 5700X3D compared to the 5600X3D may be wasted for gaming. But if you also use the computer for any task that will use the cores, such as video rendering, the extra $50 will be money well spent.

 

[lripplinger]

I can't justify spending money going from the 5700X. $250 to get the "X3D cache" seems like a ripoff. If I was to replace my 5700X, I would rather just replace the whole platform at that point.

 

[manowar51]

I think by the time you need the extra cores for gaming, the cores it has wont be fast enough anyway. If you're exclusively gaming id go for the cheapest, put the rest of the money towards a graphics card or just left in your bank account. Personally I would go for the 5700X3D because im a nerd and more cores sounds better to have. Also if for some reason I ever do anything productive on my gaming box the extra cores will be actually noticeable.

 

[Shirley Dulcey]

I can't justify spending money going from the 5700X. $250 to get the "X3D cache" seems like a ripoff. If I was to replace my 5700X, I would rather just replace the whole platform at that point.

I'm with you there. It's a better upgrade for earlier generations of Ryzen; it would be a major step up from a first or second generation processor.

 

[fb020997]

I wouldn't say they're all the same, 5800X3D is binned better. Mine takes a -30 all core under volt no problem you'd have a tough time achieving that on the lower models.

Same as mine. Since day two it’s at CO -30, rock solid 4.45GHz on both single and multithread loads.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

I wonder what would be the improvement for 1080p games at low to mid quality (competitive fps...).

It would be a bigger improvement as 1080p will always be more CPU bound than 4K.

I don't play shooters competitively (although I'm still usually in the last 5 or so in Fortnite) so I didn't benchmark it. Even when causally playing in Fortnite, I'm playing on at least my 1600p ultrawide monitor (different PC from my 4K) and medium settings because low looks so crappy to me and I'm still at 180+ FPS so -shrug-.

My main issue was that my CPU was holding me back in the non competitive shooter games that I spend more time playing, and the trend was that this would become more common in the coming years. So the upgrade saved me from needing a full rebuilt for a while longer.

(It was surprising when I learned 3900X wasn't enough as for the longest time a 4 or 6 core CPU that wasn't too old would be more than enough).

 

[hahahanoobs]

I wouldn't say they're all the same, 5800X3D is binned better. Mine takes a -30 all core under volt no problem you'd have a tough time achieving that on the lower models.

lol He didn't mean literally, which is impossible anyway simply because of the variances in silicon and manufacturing. You getting -30 on a 5800X3D doesn't automatically mean lower end parts won't. Your "binned" part is just binned to work as designed for overall performance, not at a specific curve.

 

[Disiw]

My 5800X3D has been fine but nothing crazy. I almost upgraded to 7800X3D but now I am waiting for Arrow Lake vs Zen 5 3D before I will upgrade. Will be a great next gen battle, considering Intel probably have node advantage this time with 3nm TSMC. I really hope that AMD don't cheap out and use 4nm TSMC (aka 5nm).

Give me a true next gen battle, using 3nm for both. My wallet is ready.

(and my 5800X3D is bottlenecking my 4090 in more games than I like)